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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

In Bill McKibben's new book *Here Comes the Sun*, he frequently laments activists' tendency not to celebrate our wins, a habit that sees us always feeling as though we were losing, even when we're racking up massive victories:

https://billmckibben.com/books/here-comes-the-sun/

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If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

https://pluralistic.net/2025/10/02/there-goes-the-sun/#carbon-shifting

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Bill McKibben

Here Comes the Sun

From the acclaimed environmentalist, a call to harness the power of the sun and rewrite our scientific, economic, and political future. Our climate, and our democracy, are melting down.
A Chinese Communist propaganda poster showing a cross-section of Chinese people waving the Little Red Book. The Little Red Book has been replaced with solar panels. The background has been replaced with the EU flag.
A Chinese Communist propaganda poster showing a cross-section of Chinese people waving the Little Red Book. The Little Red Book has been replaced with solar panels. The background has been replaced with the EU flag.
A Chinese Communist propaganda poster showing a cross-section of Chinese people waving the Little Red Book. The Little Red Book has been replaced with solar panels. The background has been replaced with the EU flag.
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Patrick Leavy
@patrickleavy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@pluralistic imagine if all that #AI hype money was invested into #solar 🤯

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Oggie
@Oggie@woof.group replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@patrickleavy @pluralistic
I mean, this isn't realistic.

The cost of fully renovating the entire power grid to solar is far less than the money spent on AI, so we'd need to find something else to spend it on. Housing every person in the US?

No, that's not very expensive either, on that scale. Hmm. Might have to figure something else here ..

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Donald Ball
@donaldball@triangletoot.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@patrickleavy @pluralistic There isn’t really a much better example of how maladaptive capitalism is or at least has become.

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Gaëtan Perrault
@gatesvp@mstdn.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@donaldball @patrickleavy @pluralistic

Rather than "maladaptive capitalism", I think solar is a great example of how complex it is to get the right balance between public goods and private markets.

"Imagine if these AI investments had instead been put into solar"... People tried to do this. Power companies could not and still can't build the required infrastructure fast enough. And before we blame that on capitalism, the not-for-profit Canadian Crown corporations that run power in several provinces also haven't been able to do this.

The US Interconnection Queue is twice its installed capacity. Billions of dollars have been put into power plants that are just sitting there waiting for local power companies to connect them. But nobody's going to put another $100 billion into building capacity while you're still waiting for the first hundred billion to come online.

Scratching the surface here, but the lack of solar has little to do with capitalism.

Latitude Media

The US interconnection queue is twice its installed capacity

According to new data from the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, connecting renewable energy to the grid is taking longer than ever, while projec
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Andreas K
@yacc143@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@pluralistic
Yes, but celebrating our wins isn't the secret sauce either.

One the characteristics of the fascists is their nonstop narrative of their victimhood, and it doesn't keep them from winning elections.

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tom jennings
@tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@pluralistic

When will we start moving dumps/landfills?

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

American aid agendas used to give it a huge global footprint. When American evangelicals forced the government to ban aid that included birth control or helping gender minorities, countries all around the world saw surges in unwanted pregnancies and homophobic discrimination. Now that the US has cut off all that aid, the US can no longer set priorities for those countries.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Even US military might is in decline. US military spending remains off the charts, but Trump and Hegseth are purging the forces, targeting Black and brown people (disproportionately represented in the US military because people from minority groups are typically poorer, and the US military recruits a *lot* of poor people without many other options):

https://theintercept.com/2025/10/01/pete-hegseth-war-pentagon-beardos-dei/

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The Intercept

Hegseth Attack on “Beardos” Targets Troops on Race and Religion, Military Sources Say

Hanafi Muslim and Nordic pagan service members told The Intercept Hegseth's new policy was exclusionary to their beliefs.
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

It's true that American policy was once *very* important to the whole world, but that was largely down to the things that Trump is hell-bent on destroying. American dollar-clearing and the SWIFT system gave the US a massive, global structural advantage, but the weaponization of SWIFT, the deliberate weakening of the US dollar, and the destruction of American monetarism via cryptocurrency scams has put dollar clearing into terminal decline:

https://pluralistic.net/2023/10/10/weaponized-interdependence/#the-other-swifties

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Pluralistic: Underground Empire; The Lost Cause prologue part IV (10 Oct 2023)

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

The EU is offshoring its *manufacturing* to China, but China has found a better way to manufacture Europe's *stuff*, without having to set old dead stuff on fire 24/7:

https://electrek.co/2025/09/30/solar-leads-eu-electricity-generation-as-renewables-hit-54-percent/

Reading *Here Comes the Sun* is a forceful reminder that there's a big old world out there beyond America's borders.

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Electrek

Solar leads EU electricity generation as renewables hit 54%

In Q2 2025, renewables powered 54% of EU electricity, with solar leading the mix and topping all sources in June for the first time.
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Trump can subsidize fossil fuels and throw up as many structural impediments to renewables as he can think of, and it won't change the fact that as a planet, we're on track to replace all of the *embodied* energy in the *stuff* the whole world uses with solar.

So when you read that 54% of the energy in the EU is coming from renewables, that doesn't mean that they're cheating by offshoring their emissions to China.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

This may have been true back then, but things have changed *dramatically*. China is running away from coal as fast as it can, and solarizing *everything*. China lights up a new solar generation facility with the capacity of a coal plant *every eight hours*.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

China made an especially pointed case, insisting that their CO2 figures were grossly inflated because they made all the stuff that the rich world consumed. The carbon emissions from the appliances, consumer goods and industrial equipment and other exports from China were *really* the rich world's carbon, which had been offshored to "the world's factory" - China.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Back around the time of the Paris Accords, there was a raging debate about national carbon targets, with poor countries in the global south arguing that because rich northern countries were responsible for nearly all the CO2 in the atmosphere, the rich world should make the sacrifices needed to decarbonize, leaving China, India, and other poor countries to continue to enjoy the benefits of burning coal.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Here's one assumption I had to jettison after reading McKibben's book: I used to assume that whenever I heard about Europe or the US or Canada lowering CO2 emissions, that was mostly because these rich countries had exported their carbon to China, by shifting carbon-intensive manufacturing there.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Making more solar involves digging stuff up and moving it too - but just *once*. Once those panels are on your roof (or over your parking lot or irrigation canal, or between the rows in your farm's fields) they convert abundant sunshine into efficient energy, without requiring *any* more materials:

https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/06/with-great-power/#comes-great-responsibility

So it's definitely time we rethink our assumptions about the solar transition.

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https://pluralistic.net

Pluralistic: Circular battery self-sufficiency (06 Aug 2024)

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

Replenishing this fuel doesn't merely require us to dig up enough old dead shit to burn in the machine, we also have to dig up *tons* more old dead shit to shlep that old dead shit around. The gas and coal being set on fire all around you right now required *another* mountain of fossil fuel to power the mining rig, the refinery, and the ship and the truck that brought it to you.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

When you dig up coal, you *burn it* and all that's left behind is a bunch of planet-destroying carbon dioxide and earth-and water-poisoning toxic ash.

I can't emphasize this enough. Solar is a superior substitute for fossil fuels in more ways than one. Fossil fuels need to be continuously replenished, meaning that every fossil fuel-powered system in the world requires a continuous, ongoing stream of materials to produce energy.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

What's more, the material bill for solar is superior in *every way* to the material bill for fossil fuels. The amount of *stuff* we need to dig up in order to solarize *the planet* is equal to *one seventeenth* of the fossil fuels we dig up *every year*. Remember, when you dig up a bunch of stuff to make a solar panel, that solar panel produces energy for *decades* afterwards, and when it finally reaches its end-of-life, we make it into *another solar panel*.

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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

As more and more solar comes online, we can reclaim literal *tons* of material from existing, superannuated tech. There's a solar-powered factory that ingests old solar panels, decomposes them into their source materials, and makes new, hyper-efficient solar panels out of them, reclaiming 99% of their materials:

https://interestingengineering.com/energy/solarcycle-to-recycle-10-million-solar-panels-yearly

Far from being an insurmountable barrier to a cleaner, better future, the material bill for solar is eminently tractable.

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Interesting Engineering

New plant plans to recycle 30% of US' retired solar panels in 2030

SOLARCYCLE's new solar recycling plant in Cedartown, Georgia, aims to process 10 million solar panels each year, starting with an initial capacity of 2 million panels annually.
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