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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

Many of us have left the big social media platforms; far more of us *wish* we could leave them; and even those of us who've escaped from Facebook/Insta and Twitter still spend a lot of time trying to figure out how to get the people we care about off of them, too.

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If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this thread to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:

https://pluralistic.net/2025/01/20/capitalist-unrealism/#praxis

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A page out of a medieval hand-illuminated grimoire; it is an illustration of a tree, with each branch terminating in a demon; these branches are annotated in an unknown script. The demons have been replaced with 19th century caricatures of shouting millionaire industrialists.
A page out of a medieval hand-illuminated grimoire; it is an illustration of a tree, with each branch terminating in a demon; these branches are annotated in an unknown script. The demons have been replaced with 19th century caricatures of shouting millionaire industrialists.
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Alan Levine
@cogdog@cosocial.ca responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic As the pup sez, Is ihat fine?

"This is why Bluesky is in a dangerous place: not because it is backed by VCs, not because it is a for-profit entity, but because it has captive users and no constraints. It's a great party in a sealed building with no fire exits"

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Wade Roberts
@waderoberts@aus.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic the sentiment is densely packed with peripheral intent and action, but I’ve said this for years:

Friends don’t let friends use Facebook.

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Alper
@alper@sfba.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic we'll watch the next big protest never happen due to lack of common communication channels. We'll think that a lot of people don't care. That's why dictators and wannabes happily invested in the Twitter black hole purchase. Fragmentation is the goal. What's the next best thing to the assumed benevolent dictator who owns and may sell the place we (a much much larger we) meet and organize?
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SaftyKuma
@SaftyKuma@mastodon.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@alper @pluralistic

Dr. King did it without social media and with the media of the time fully against him. So we need to go back and re-learn the lessons from the civil rights movement.

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Polyrical - music and politics
@Polyrical@kolektiva.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@alper @pluralistic

Yes, changing social media will offer some obstacles, but massive and successful protests happened before the Internet and social media existed. Seems incredible now. The 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Justice surpassed 200,000 and was organized by telephone and in person conversations by Bayard Rustin and team. When certain social media outlets are captured or compromised as organizing tools, the organizing will move to other tools, including texts and (shudder) phone calls.

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ludo
@ludosansfin@mastodon.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
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BeeCycling
@beecycling@romancelandia.club responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@ludosansfin This is why we don't have superheroes. Superman would just look like a bully if he had to smack down these utter dweebs. @pluralistic
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Wall Calculator {Designs}
@NaiSdrahcir@mastodon.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic

https://mastodon.social/@NaiSdrahcir/113862051274968501

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Joe Morse
@ildiavolorosso@sfba.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic Maybe the collective action problem gets easier in small increments. Like intermittent fasting, but for toxic and #enshittified social media platforms.

I'm deleting all Meta platforms for at least a week. And I'm looking forward to the attention span I get back from just focusing on the Fediverse and real life.

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pa27
@pa27@mastodon.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic Well written, well said. I still suspect that the advertising revenues that support these crappy services are a bit of emperor's new clothes, and there's a internet advertising bubble due for a burst. Anyone who has to stay on these parasitic feeds, please ignore, block and don't click any ad links. Do your best to screw with the funding!
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Woozle Hypertwin
@woozle@toot.cat responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

LB: I think I agree with everything @pluralistic says here. Every time I got to a "but..." [finger raised] place, he either addressed it or went in a different direction than I was expecting.

This also answers my own question about "why not Mastodon?", also asked by many others.

My only question now is "can I get hired to work on this..."

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Claus Cramon Houmann
@claushoumann@mastodon.social responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic 👍🍾 this is why we follow you. Spot on!
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Angela Scholder
@AngelaScholder@mastodon.energy responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic For the last month I've been announcing on Falbook that I will be cancelling my account before the end of the month.
So, that people should mail me their up to date contact details so we can keep in touch.
Well, just only a very few did so.
The rest will just be a shame, but my ring of people will je be smaller.
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Trantion
@trantion@masto.ai responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@AngelaScholder @pluralistic chances are a lot of them don't use Facebook any more either but never thought about it. Those who do will never be shown your message until 3 days after you leave, judging by when it has shown me time-sensitive messages for the last couple of years
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kbal
@kbal@fedia.io responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago

Caring about those they can connect with there is the reason people stick with enshittification-based social media, but that is itself one more reason to leave it. Participating does harm to the people you care about by encouraging them to keep that bad habit. Even if it doesn't persuade anyone else it's enough motivation for me.

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utopiArte
@utopiarte@tupambae.org responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic Let me rephrase that:
They are locked in because they lack perspective and self-discipline and because their dopamine loops have been hacked by evil techbro sorcerers who used Big Data to fashion history's first functional mind-control ray resulting in real, material things.

They are locked in because actually they don't care because they lack way to much perspective and self discipline and are way to happy with their dopamine.

They are as locked in as the bodies in matrix movies that provide the system with energy and sustain the system with their energy. They are their self fulfilling prophecy, because they don't care enough, they don't understand enough and they never experienced the alternative.


They are as locked in as Germans were in their society in 1933 and as we all are in our consumerist customs and daily life in the face of climate change.

And that's why this whole discussion ultimately is kinda senseless and useless because what climate change will impose on the societies will shadow everything you (we) can imagine.

They could work on plan B and leaving step by step, building up first the alternative till they come to the tipping point and than move ultimately.

But, they wont because they are way to hypnotized and "programed" by their acquired customs. Even choosing bluesky as the option just proves that point again.

As Malcom stated, they are "house negros".

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Me & My Critters 4 #HarrisWalz
@jnye@mstdn.plus responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic UNIX was my college-age intro to all matters computer. Learning an editing & publishing process from the basic operating system built my foundation for *everything"--a foundation that hasn't often failed me since 1984/85-ish. I can't comment on most of the technicalities you're detailing, but I feel personal impact on this one. When I started out, it was proprietary and I'm really glad it didn't stay that way.
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inwit
@inwit@mas.to responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic There's a exceptional example of this kind of hard-to-organize collective actions going on today, Jan 20th: many Spanish entities and persons are closing their Twitter accounts today and are coming in a coordinate manner to Mastodon. They're using #juntas/#juntes/#xuntas to introduce themselves and are coordinated around @vamonosjuntas. So far, it seems like a great success. More info: www.vamonosjuntas.org :)
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Rusty Shackleford
@RustyShackleford@fosstodon.org responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@pluralistic This is an excellent point. For those who care7 about liberating society from oligarchs and their reality distortion machines, the goal of the fediverse can't be to create a neat little safe space for tech nerds. The goal should be to completely replace corporate social media in the mainstream. For that, we need to offer an actual alternative with all the same features people have come to rely on. We need Facebook, but unshittified, decentralized, and free.
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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr responded  ·  activity timestamp 8 months ago
@randy Fixed!
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