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Ben Royce 馃嚭馃嚘
@benroyce@mastodon.social  路  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@irelephant

great!

i love how you repeat the cultish devotion to promise over reality

truly wonderful

#bluesky is #centralized. not technologically, but in implementation

and yet it is your feverish irrational devotion to "maybe someday!" over the simple reality that true #decentralization is already here, for years, on #mastodon/ #fediverse

"but i got it working!"

yes, and i implemented #reddit's code and i'm running a clone of reddit so reddit is not centralized! gotcha!

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irelephant@calckey.world
@irelephant@calckey.world replied  路  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@benroyce@mastodon.social What do you define decentralisation as?

From RFC 9518: Centralization, Decentralization, and Internet Standards (2023):

> [...] "centralization" is the state of affairs where a single entity or a small group of them can observe, capture, control, or extract rent from the operation or use of an Internet function exclusively.

> [Decentralization is when] "complete reliance upon a single point is not always required" (citing Baran, 1964)

> [...] federation, i.e., designing a function in a way that uses independent instances that maintain connectivity and interoperability to provide a single cohesive service.

So, in the atproto network, people can migrate to other appviews, such as zeppelin.social, or app.wafrn.net when the current one they use makes a shitty decision, without even needing to migrate their account.

You can easily migrate from your pds anyway, and it works better than on mastodon (more seamless, migrates your content as well, can be done when your pds is down).

The network is only centralised if your definition of decentralisation includes spreading users across nodes.

Your reddit analogy falls apart when you consider that reddit is not federated, when bluesky is.

Mastodon and bluesky are both decentralised, and both excel at different things. ActivityPub is flawed in so many ways, that aren't a problem on atproto.

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Scott Miller 馃嚭馃嚘 馃嚭馃嚫
@scottmiller42@mstdn.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@irelephant @benroyce If one instance can block a user or type of content, and that block eliminates it from view of over 99% of users, then Bluesky is, practically speaking, decentralized in name only.

Mastodon / Fediverse has its own flaws, but practically speaking, it is more decentralized. I鈥檓 on one of the bigger instances, but if I didn鈥檛 like a policy, I could start a new username on a new instance, port my followers, and more or less continue on as-is.

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