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Does this effect @GrapheneOS too in any way?

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@fdroidorg I've contacted the Digital Markets Act Team.

I think it would be really helpful if you provided a sample text people could use when contacting the DMA team, or local representatives.

Would you consider an online petition too?

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This kind of move is against DMA. Even Apple can't go against such rule. Google will lose too.
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@fdroidorg @jones @sabrinaweb71 am I getting this right that if hypothetically one would somehow have F-Droid on an affected phone, reproducible builds would still work through F-Droid if the app is older than 2021?

(not that it would matter in practice)

@fdroidorg you have a point

@fdroidorg that is true. The actual implementation can cause differences in how they will lock it down. Would the Android SDK binaries enforce the verification? Would we have to build the SDK tools from source to disable it? Perhaps it would be some system service in the ROM itself?

With the recent release changes on AOSP, I feel Google will absolutely make the process as painful as possible to revert the "security enhancement". Technically it would be possible, practically tho...

@jones @sabrinaweb71 On the so called "stock" phones that come with Google apps, yes.

@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
So these apps, regardless of whether developers will choose to register with google or not, will *not* run on any phone with... what? The "google play services"?

@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71
So these apps, regardless of whether developers will choose to register with google or not, will *not* run on any phone without... what? The "google play services"?

@jones @sabrinaweb71 We sure do can, but we are also aware that the wast majority of our users is not running Google-free devices.

@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71

Thank you. So it would be technically possible to keep f-droid.org running, even if google will actually enforce their diktat (as is very very probable, i seem to understand), for those developers who would not register with google, right? And maybe also for those developers who would?

@jones @sabrinaweb71 We see this confusion a lot. Google will only hold "a list of application ids and their associated signatures" that they *approved*. The signing part continues as usual. Play apps after Nov 2021 will be signed by Google, older ones will be signed by the developers. On F-Droid, apps are signed by the developers (reproducible builds) or by F-Droid.

@fdroidorg @sabrinaweb71

So, correct me if i'm wrong, the matter is this: if the google diktat will be actually enforced, no app not signed by google will be able to run on android.

@sabrinaweb71 They can, but then their friends and family can't install their app. Who wants that?

@pak0st When you build an Android distribution you can decide what to put inside. Depending on what layer the restrictions are setup, this might impact non-Google versions or not.

@GOKUSHRM @fdroidorg oh lord that's a loaded suggestion...

Insisting a non-profit, donation based, open source project launch an entire hardware business and produce cheap hardware?

It would be astronomically expensive to set up, and the resulting phone would be a budget phone for flagship price... the opposite of what you want. (See the few Linux phone builders out there for reference... and those are companies with investors)

@plsik But you will notice when your Google entrapped friends and family can't install the same nice apps from F-Droid: to take notes, to browse without scammy ads, to play or to communicate with you.

@HeptaSean @Fairphone Vendors want to be certified to be able to carry Google apps (Youtube, Maps, Play, etc), they'll not endanger that. As the terms are not clear (does Google enforce signature blocking for certification purposes? Is the vendor allowed to add a toggle? Can #EU ask all vendors that want to sell to Europeans to add a toggle? etc) we can't know.